R- I'm curious to know if your experiences as a physicist brought you into this arena or were you spiritually oriented before you got into that work?

G- Well, I'm not a physicist and have never been one. I wrote a book on physics as a lay person (The Dancing Wu Li Masters). It was written by a lay person for lay people. The interest I had in physics and the research I did into it did not directly lead me to anything that's in The Seat of the Soul.

R- I've always presumed you had a background in physics.

G- I have no scientific training except what I gave myself and what I was given by the people who worked with me. That's why the book is so accessible and enjoyable by other people who don't have any scientific training or interest.

R- I find all of your work very intriguing. What are you concentrating on today?

G- Today I'm writing one of the final chapters in a book called Universal Human. This book is a complement to The Seat of the Soul, which is about the nonphysical goal of authentic power and is more of an internal and subjective approach to authentic power. It's about authentic power from the point of view of the soul. Universal Human is about the physical goal of authentic power, so it is a more externally oriented book. It's about what kind of world we will create as authentically empowered humans. What will our economics, commerce, health, education, art, science, law, military look like?

R- Is this the immediate future or long term? Is there any particular time frame associated with it?

G- From an evolutionary point of view, it is the immediate future. From the point of view of a single life span it's not that fast. I will suggest that within only a few generations the experience of being human will be very different than it is today.

R- As far as our enlightenment, or our evolution as a species, do you consider that we are in what has been very broadly described as the Age of Enlightenment by people such as Chardin or Russel?

G- Well, the Age of Enlightenment generally refers to a historical period that is past. I have not read much of Chardin but I believe, from the little I have read, that he had a clear vision of the enormity and magnitude of the shift in humanity that is under way now and he had that before most people.

R- Do you see that we�re in that period? We�ve spoken to several people this year, including Deepak Chopra and Andrew Harvey, and they have a fairly clear sense that we�re definitely in that period.

G- If you mean a period of unprecedented transformation of humanity then that is correct. That is exactly what we�re in.

R- What has been the response or reaction to your two books from the scientific community? Have you had much feedback from them?

G- The response from the scientific community concerning The Dancing Wu-Li Masters has been excellent. The book is used in many university classrooms and has been reviewed favorably by many of the people I admire most in physics. The late David Bohm wrote a wonderful review for it in Nature. The response of the scientific community to The Seat of the Soul has been nil.

R- In reading The Seat of the Soul I had a difficult time with some of the information. How did you come to some of your conclusions about the nature of the soul, the evolution of the soul and what I call the more �factual� aspects of the soul?

G- That information originated where all deep insightful information originates, with the Universe. These are not my ideas. Nothing in The Seat of the Soul is unique to me. The book is copyrighted only because it�s my particular expression of ideas which are common to all of us and will be in the consciousness of all of us as we emerge to greater awareness and because my publisher wouldn�t publish it unless it was copyrighted. I got that information by listening.

R- I see threads of Hindu, Buddhism, the Kaballah and others. Are your conclusions based on the study of these philosophies?

G- I have studied Buddhism but nothing in the Seat of the Soul, to my knowledge, comes directly from what I have studied in Buddhism nor does it come from anything I know about Hinduism. Everything that is in The Seat of the Soul and everything that I will talk to you about today is about the evolutionary transition which is unprecedented in human history. That means the Buddhists didn't experience it, the Hindus didn't experience it, the Jews and the Christians didn't experience it. Nobody has experienced it until now. And millions are now beginning to experience it. This is the great evolutionary transformation of human kind from a species that is limited in its perception to the five senses and that understands power as the ability to manipulate and control to a species that is not limited in its perception to the five senses and that understands power as the alignment of the personality with the soul.

R- I see. In The Seat of the Soul on page 35, and referring to the soul, you state that after an incarnation the soul returns to its immortal and timeless self. It returns once again to its natural state of compassion, clarity, and boundless love ...

G- Isn't that beautiful!

R- It is indeed. On page 36 you state that the soul chooses voluntarily to undertake this experience of incarnating in order to heal. The splintered aspects of the soul, the aspects require healing, need to interact in physical matters so that each part of the splinteredness can become whole. I had a problem understanding that. It seems to me that compassion, clarity and boundless love pretty much describe perfection, especially in light of statements made later in the book. Why does a soul that's already perfect in its natural state need healing and how is that even possible? Could you clarify that forme?

G- There is nothing that we will experience that isn't perfect. There's nothing in the universe that isn't perfect. But don't let this confuse you when it comes to the growth of your soul and the evolution of your spiritual awareness. Everything in the universe evolves toward eyer-expanding awareness and freedom and love and joy, which is the same as the first three.

R- Suppose I perceived the soul as fixed (static). Would that be inaccurate?

G- It's accurate that's the idea you have but that is not my understanding or experience of the soul. You are looking at a soul as something like a Platonic idea, stationary, fixed, inert, and complete. But this is a universe that is always moving toward ever greater awareness and freedom. Your soul is you in your fullness. It is not confined to the limitation of the five senses nor to the experiences of your personality. It exists in other domains of experience, many of them simultaneously, including the one you experience now as a personality. Your soul is healing. The whole purpose of your incarnation into the Earth school is the healing of your soul. Yes, your soul exists in compassion and clarity and love ...

R- ... then could I interchange the word "healing" for "growing" in the context of expanding awareness ...

G- Yes.

R- But, "healing" to me has the connotation that something is broken. Is that not accurate in this context?

G- No, not in this context nor, in my opinion, in any context. That is an understanding of the word "healing" that comes from a five sensory point of view. In other words, it is an understanding that comes from modem medicine, for example. Modem medicine looks at the body as a mechanic would look at a car, metaphorically speaking. If it malfunctions then there must be something wrong with it and the malfunction is negative and has to be fixed. From a more comprehensive and accurate point of view there is no such thing as a malfunction. There is experience and that experience is always related to what you as a soul have created. If you have anything in your life that you would consider a malfunction; a marriage for example or the collapse of a business or falling down and breaking a bone, getting cancer, I would suggest that you not look at it as a malfunction but as an aspect of your experience that is offering you an opportunity to grow tremendously . Your understanding of who you are and how you have created this experience and moving beyond the need to create that type of experience is what I am talking about when I use the word "healing."

R- In every experience that I have ...

G- ... healing means becoming whole, becoming ever more whole. What I am suggesting is that every experience you encounter serves the purpose of assisting you in becoming ever more whole. It is not that you are whole to begin with and then something breaks down and the breakdown must be repaired. The breakdown is the gift. It is an unnecessary gift because it need not have happened but once you understand the dynamics that created the breakdown and your role in them you will no longer break down in that way again. That is growth. That is also healing.

R- Excellent. Thank you. Then along with the evolutionary process we are going through could you talk a little bit about karma? What exactly is karma? How would you define it and why is it so important?

G- Karma is the universal law of cause and effect. It is a larger version of the physical law of cause and effect. Structurally the two are identical. The law of cause and effect reflects the reality that every cause has an effect and every effect has a cause. If you are part of the cause you are also part of the effect and there is no exception to this. When you create a consequence with your choices, and you always do, you create consequences and those consequences are determined by the intention that you bring to the action. An intention is a quality of consciousness. When you create a consequence in the experience of another soul, another person, you will also experience that same consequence yourself. This is not because the universe is vindictive or cruel but because it is compassionately allowing you to experience in the intimacy of your own experience all that you have created so that you can learn to create wisely. This is important to understand. Once you understand the universal law of cause and effect, or karma as it is called in the East, then you are able to begin the process of creating consciously those consequences that you desire to create and not to create those consequences that you do not wish to create.

R- Let's speculate here for a moment, if you would humor me. Suppose that I were to actually become true unconditional love in this lifetime (personality). Would I transcend my karmic debts or would I still have to go through this balancing process?

G- No. You would not escape your karma even if from this moment onward you were to create consciously those consequences that the soul desires to create, which are harmony, cooperation, sharing and a reverence for life. You would still experience all that you have created in the past but have not yet experienced. Karma is karma, energy is energy. However, the new awareness you have brought into being will alter your experience of your karma as you live it.

R- So karma isn't always something to be feared then or to dread "Oh, no, hear comes another karmic lesson!" It doesn't always have to be a smack between the eyes ...

G- no, it doesn't...

R- what affects it, then, is my understanding of the process ...

G- ... no, your understanding of the process is not enough. After you understand the process you must then act on what you understand.

R- And that's the point I wanted to develop, which brings me to dharma.

G- Dharma is a Sanskrit term that I associate mostly with Buddhism. It is a complex term and I'm not qualified to explain it.

R- In Seat of the Soul you use the term "spiritual psychology." In late October there is going to be a conference here in North Carolina that is going to deal with what is called the "spiritual emergence process." Is this what you're referring to in your discussion of spiritual psychology ... 

G- Yes ...

R- Could you talk about what happens during this process?

G- We are in a continual spiritual emergence process. That is the Earth school. As we become multisensory, we become aware of the distinction between our personalities, each individual becomes aware of the difference in his or her personality, in his or her soul. Psychology, as it's now structured, offers no assistance in this process. Psychology today is the study of perception, affect and cognition. It is the study of the personality even though the word means, literally, the study of the spirit. As we become multisensory and as more and more of us, and eventually all of us, become multisensory and consciously engaged in the process of spiritual growth, then psychology will become truly what its name says it is the study of the soul. Of what is healthy for the soul and what is not. Of what allows the soul to expand and what causes it to contract. Of what gives it strength and what causes it to wither. When I speak of a soul becoming heal thy or unhealthy that is not to be confused with its immortality. To distinguish between psychology as it exists today, as a discipline which does not recognize, for the most part, the existence of the soul, and psychology as it will soon evolve into a true psychology, a true study of the spirit, I have used the term spiritual psychology. Actually, that is redundant but it is necessary because there is no spirit now in psychology.

R- Is a complete understanding of past life behavior essential to present life healings?

G- You will understand what you need to understand at the proper time. What is necessary is that you become aware of everything that you are feeling. And, what you are feeling is not the same as how you are behaving. You may, for example, be behaving politely and civilly when what you are feeling is rage and disdain. It is necessary for your spiritual growth that you become conscious of everything that you are feeling�that you experience your emotions.

R- You wrote in The Seat of the Soul that "...our species is evolving from one frequency range in the spectrum of nonphysical light into another, higher range of frequency." We hear a lot these days, almost in a casual manner, about genetic changes, re-encoding of DNA, and cellular changes. Is this what you are referring to, or are you talking on a more ethereal level?

G- I am not talking about biogenetics. I am using an analogy from physics, not metaphysics, physics. I am using a factual structure that comes from mainstream physics as a metaphor. The structure that comes from mainstream physics is that the light spectrum is infinite. That means it extends in both directions if you want to picture it as a spectrum extending from left to right, indefinitely in both directions. A very small part of that spectrum is visible light, the light frequencies between what our eyes detect as red and what our eyes detect as violet. When I say a very small part, it is actually infinitesimal because the spectrum is infinite. Even though our eyes cannot detect light frequencies below red and above violet, those frequencies exist. We know they exist because we use them. We use infrared light for warmth, which is at the low end of the visible light spectrum and we use microwave radiation for communication, which is above the high end of the spectrum. Yet our eyes cannot detect them. This confinement to a very small span of the infinite spectrum of light is a way of describing the Earth school. It is not that the Earth school exists apart or elsewhere from the rest of the light spectrum. Everything else; microwave radiation, infrared radiation, high frequency, very high frequency, extremely high frequency, ultra high frequency radiation. All of it exists at the same time and in the same place as those frequencies we experience as visible light. As we move into this evolutionary transition that we are now experiencing we are escaping our previous confinement to this small segment of the infinite light spectrum. We are still able to detect that frequency range but we are also able to detect more than that. That is what I mean when I say our frequency range is shifting upwards. It is the same thing as saying that we are becoming multisensory. We are able to communicate consciously with nonphysical beings. This is something that a five sensory species cannot do. A five sensory species cannot even accept the existence of nonphysical beings because a nonphysical being is, to a five sensory human, literally nonsensical. As we become multisensory, we are able to not only detect, become aware of, but to work with and to collaborate with nonphysical beings.

R- How can I begin working with my spirit guides and teachers on a more conscious level? What can I do to create a more direct communication?

G- The first thing you can do is remember that you are in a school. You are here voluntarily. You are a powerful, creative spirit that has come into the physical experience to experience those things that your soul desires to experience and simultaneously to give yourself the opportunity to choose to respond differently to them than you have in the past and also to contribute gifts, to fulfill your sacred contract with the universe. This universe is alive, compassionate and wise. It is beneficent in every way. Remembering that is the first thing you can do. The next thing you can do is become aware of what you are feeling in all your reactions. If you are engaged in an interaction with another person and you are about to speak in anger or in judgment or in jealousy or in fear in any way, ask yourself, before you speak, "What is my motivation?" When you ask this question you automatically engage nonphysical guidance. You will not be alone in your assessment. That is a simple technique that you can use to engage nonphysical guidance.

R- Let's say that I'm getting ready to blast someone in anger or my emotions are making me very uncomfortable, what are some workable techniques for clearing my emotions?

G- First, you have to be aware of them. If you find that you are angry, you must experience that anger. That doesn't mean act on it, it means experience it. If you experience anger fully, underneath it you will always find pain. Pain that is so difficult to experience that you will do almost anything not to experience it and that is where you generate anger. This is but one example of being aware of your feelings and emotions. Your emotions are the force field of your soul. You cannot become authentically empowered unless you are able to feel. As far as clearing your emotions, I am a pragmatic person, not a psychotherapist. What is important is how you respond to your challenges, not that you have your challenges. For example, you may be angry with someone. The question is, how you are going to respond to that person or circumstance that has made you angry? Are you going to strike out at them? Are you going to go into emotional withdrawal? These, and any reactions in between, that you have used to create with in the past will create the same thing that you have created in the past and it will be painful. If you strike at someone in anger you will create a certain set of consequences and you will experience in your future people who strike at you in anger. If you are feeling anger and you make the decision that even though you are angry, you will not strike in anger because you will not create the consequences of acting in anger again in your life or the lives of others. That intention will bring significantly different consequences into your experience. You will begin to encounter people who are angry but who are determined not to strike in anger.

R- That's what I call "The Big Disgust." When you get to a point where you are no longer willing to have the same experience over and over again. I think that is when things really change. First, when you are aware of it and secondly, when you finally say "ENOUGH!" ...

G- ... that's right. When you say "ENOUGH!" then you can begin to utilize the tools we are discussing. As you challenge an aspect of yourself again and again, consciously, that aspect of yourself begins to lose power over you and you gain power over it. Eventually it will disintegrate. That is how you gain authentic power, choice by choice, decision by decision. It cannot be meditated or prayed into being.

R- My own view of spirituality is that it has to work for me right now. It has to have immediate benefits. The idea of "pie in the sky" has never appealed to me.

G- If you think that the first time you challenge your anger it will go away, in my experience, you would be mistaken. As you change your anger again and again and again and again it will lose its power over you. As you set the intention to challenge your anger, the universe will compassionately respond and you will find yourself in circumstances that will arouse your anger, friends will irritate, things that annoy you will annoy you ...

R- .. .is that because the universe is bringing you more and more opportunities to test out or is it just because anger is a current issue and that is what is on your mind?

G- It is because the universe is responding compassionately to your intention to heal your anger.

R- So it's giving me plenty of opportunities to do that?

G- Correct. Now you have understood that it is a problem and you have committed yourself to working on it and that is what has set in motion the response of the universe to assist you in your intention to heal your anger.

R- It helps if we can keep our sense of humor about all this. In your discussion of soul evolution you are talking about the animal kingdom where there is the idea of group soul. Are we talking about the evolution of what I'm going to call soul energy from the animal kingdom into the human species?

G- That can happen. What I intended to bring out is that as a human you have an individual soul and that is why your creative powers are great. You have free will. An animal does not have an individual soul. An individual physical animal is a part of a group soul. For instance, there is a group soul called "horse" or "dog" but each horse and each dog are not individual souls. They evolve in the fullness of the group soul.

R- What happened to the soul energy of the group soul called "dinosaur" for instance? Is that soul energy just not incarnating on the Earth any more and is it still out there in the universe somewhere or has it evolved into some other animal form?

G- I've never thought about that. Let me think ... That configuration of soul energy does not cease with the physical extinction of all of the individual dinosaurs on Earth in a way that is similar to the reality that the souls now making the human species would not cease to exist if every individual human were to become extinct. The difference is that individual dinosaurs were not individual souls. There was one group soul energy but each human is a soul different from other human souls.

R- Dolphins and thousands of other species are leaving the planet and we, as a species, must very affirmatively step into our responsibilities for what is happening. Without the immediate and practical application of all of this knowledge and so-called enlightenment, we continue doing real damage to this planet. I get a strong sense of urgency and despair when I think about it. We say we are the smartest species on Earth and that we are coming into a new awareness, yet these things are still happening and at what seems to be an accelerated pace. What we can do?

G- You can begin to work on yourself to correct the deficiencies that you see in the world at large because those two are the same. If you feel that there is too much anger in the world then work to reduce your own anger. If you want to see the world a less fearful place, become less fearful yourself. If you want to see the world become more loving then become more loving yourself. Do what you can do in the only arena in which you have real effect and that is with yourself. As you change the dynamics in yourself the dynamics in the world begin to change. Frustration comes from the thought that you are powerless. You are not powerless. But do not apply your power to change other people. That will only disempower you.

R- OK. And for your crystal ball, fun question for the day. Do you see a time when the unified field theory will actually be stated?

G- I am not familiar enough with the status of the unified field theory to speak on it. I can tell you that physics, as it is currently structured, and science in general will not go much further in exploring the areas of mystery that are most important to the human species. That is because science as it is now structured is a five sensory endeavor. It is anchored in the five senses and science proudly proclaims its unswerving loyalty to the five senses. This is another way of saying that science is an empirical discipline. All that is accepted in science is what can be empirically verified, which means verified by the five senses. We are becoming a multisensory species. We are becoming a species that is able to understand and experience the difference between the physical and nonphysical things that are real but not physical. But the very nature of what multisensory humans are now experiencing, those experiences, excludes themselves as legitimate subjects of inquiry for empirical science.

R- Would it be accurate to say that science has gone about as far as it can go?